Meher Baba called Kutumba Sastri to Dehra Dun to discuss the Andhra programs. On Sunday, 26 July 1953, in the course of the conversation, Baba explained to Sastri:
“ To know God is to become God. So how can you know what a Perfect Master is unless you become one? I may be either the Avatar, a Sadguru or an ordinary man. I may be anything; I am what you take me to be. If you think I am the Avatar, I am the Avatar; if you think I am an ordinary man, I am an ordinary man. I am That which I am. By being everything, what you think me to be I am.
However, this is not important. If I am Baba, then for my work I need no one. And yet I tell you to be with me and ask the workers in Andhra to work for me for four months. If you look back on my life and work, I never have anything permanent.
Hospitals, schools, ashrams were constructed and pulled down, because I have no need of any establishment or organization. Yet I want workers. Why? To make people ready to receive what God will make me give. The morning sun sheds its rays everywhere, but the sun does not need connection with the whole world. If after 400 or 700 years the world is full of houses and there is no room for its rays to penetrate the world and reach mankind, the sun may then resort to making people remove the roofs of houses so that its full rays may fall on everything and everyone. I want such persons who can demolish the roofs of low desires by spreading my message of love, so that when the time comes — like a cloudless day at twelve noon — people can receive the "rays."
Do not get involved in controversies, societies, factions, [or such affairs]. I wish you to work wholeheartedly as one unit, as one center for four months. Just work and prepare people by informing them of the message of honesty, love and longing for God. Make them enthusiastic so that what God makes me give in December, they will be able to receive.
Usually, rivers flow into the ocean. But the rivers are now drying up. It is time for the Ocean to "flood" the rivers!
I may be anything, but when you work wholeheartedly, God, Who is everywhere and knows everything, gives you rewards from Him without your asking. Even if I am the Devil, God will reward you according to your work!
God is free, independent; and to know Him, we must work wholeheartedly and with no reservation. One who is free does not like any reservation. If you work for Him honestly, with an open heart, God helps. Don't become a flatterer and never be dishonest to yourself and others. Be natural and honestly simple. I consider one as my center who loves me wholeheartedly for the sake of love. God may make me give that gift which is permanent. Only God is real. God is all Love; God is all Wisdom; God is all Power; God is all Beauty; God is Everything."
美赫巴巴打电话给德拉·敦的库图姆巴·萨斯特里（Kutumba Sastri）讨论安德拉项目。1953年7月26日星期日，在谈话过程中，巴巴向萨斯特里解释说:
“认识上帝就是要成为上帝。”所以，你怎么知道一个完美大师是什么？除非你变成一个完美大师。我要么是阿瓦塔，要么是圣人，要么是普通人。我可以是任何东西；我是你确定的。如果你认为我是阿瓦塔，我就是阿瓦塔，如果你认为我是一个普通人，我就是一个普通人，我是我所是。依照每件事，你认为我是什么我就是什么。
然而，这并不重要。如果我是巴巴，那么为了我的工作，我不需要任何人。但我还告诉你和我在一起，让安德拉的工人为我工作4个月。如果你回顾我的生活和工作，我永远不会有任何永恒的东西。
医院、学校、静修所都被建造又被撤除，因为我不需要任何机构或组织。但我要工人，为什么？为了使人们准备好接受上帝将让我给予的东西。早晨的阳光照射到各处，但太阳不需要与整个世界相连。如果在400或700年后世界到处都是房子，没有空间让光线穿透世界抵达人类，那么太阳可能会诉诸于让人们移到房顶以使它的光线能够落在一切东西和每个人身上。我希望这样的人能通过传播我的爱讯来摧毁低级欲望的房顶，这样当时间到来的时候——就像中午12点无云的一天时——人们就能得到“光芒”。
不要卷入争议、社会、派系(或此类事务)。我希望你全心全意为这样一个单元工作，作为一个中心工作四个月。只要把诚实、爱和盼望上帝的信息告诉他们，就能让他们做好准备。让他们充满热情，这样上帝让我在十二月给予他们，他们将能够接受。
通常，河流流入大海。但是现在河流正在干涸，是时候让海洋“淹没”河流了!
我可以是任何东西。但当你全心全意工作时，上帝，他无处不在，什么都知道，没有你的要求，他会给你回报。即使我是魔鬼，上帝也会根据你的工作奖赏你!
上帝是自由的、独立的；要认识他，我们必须无保留地全心全意工作，一个自由的人不喜欢任何保留。如果你真诚地为他工作，敞开心扉，上帝会有所帮助。不要成为一个奉承者，不要对自己和别人不诚实，要自然、真诚地简单。我认为一个作为我的中心者会全心全意地、为爱的缘故而爱我。上帝可以让我给出永恒的礼物。只有上帝是真实的。上帝是一切爱；上帝是力量；上帝是美丽；上帝是一切。
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